Armi classic.

[Oris]

Ho un duplice dubbio : uno sulle armi del classic, uno in generale sulle armi.
A) Quali sono le armi migliori sul classic? (quelle da prendere in considerazione insomma, io ho pensato 2 cw, drago, lab 125 dot [inzomma], e zen, altre?)
B) Quanto ci perde un tank ad usare un arma che puo' andare in off hand sulla main hand? Tipo una moment of zen su un armsman.
Io sulla mia ombra usavo soul glimmer (solo mh) e zen (oh).
Deluso moltissimo dal suol glimmer (e anche avendo bisogno di soldi) l'ho venduto. Ho rifatto il template usando 2 zen (entrambe of) e devo dire che mi sono trovato molto meglio.
Detto ciò, sarebbe una puttanata, per buttarla cosi', usare una zen su un arms s/s? (non 50 picca/2h 42 scudo resto arma ma proprio 50 arma 42 scudo resto parry).

[nortis]

B) Quanto ci perde un tank ad usare un arma che puo' andare in off hand sulla main hand?
lol? a parità di speed e dps un arma off hand e una che non può andare in off sono esattamente identiche.

[Lorzmus]

Detto ciò, sarebbe una puttanata, per buttarla cosi', usare una zen su un arms s/s? (non 50 picca/2h 42 scudo resto arma ma proprio 50 arma 42 scudo resto parry).

Io non vedo arms s/s, diciamo mmmmmmm su per giù dalla 1.54 :sneer:

[AceGentile]

per me la zen è l'arma + sopravvalutata del gioco :rain:

champ weapon 2h/picca, fine steel long sword 1h. appena procca 25% celerity vai di 2h e fatti le risate

[Dryden]

Tutte le armi con debuff abs son sopravvalutate secondo me, qualsiasi cosa che faccia danno a sto punto è meglio.
La best è sicuramente quella con proc celerity, la Fine steel, 25% celerity che in gruppo (alb/mid) è totalmente inutile, ma per i soloer è >> all.

[Oris]

Io non vedo arms s/s, diciamo mmmmmmm su per giù dalla 1.54 :sneer:

Mhhhm, avevo scritto esempio??
Io ho un pally difatti.
Cmq di celeirty su un pally nn me ne fo nulla, idee migliori?:P
E cmq vi sbagliate su zen, io le ho provate tutte le armi hibbe taglio e perfo ma fan cagare quelle del drago in confronto a 2 zen.
Mi han deluso le armi del drago hibbe, forse quelle alb son diverse ma nn credo.
Altre idee? Cmq allora left hand nn perdo niente essenzialmente?

[nortis]

x armi drago intendi quelle delle quest o i drop del drago? i drop sono uberrimi...

[AceGentile]

Mhhhm, avevo scritto esempio??
Io ho un pally difatti.
Cmq di celeirty su un pally nn me ne fo nulla, idee migliori?:P
E cmq vi sbagliate su zen, io le ho provate tutte le armi hibbe taglio e perfo ma fan cagare quelle del drago in confronto a 2 zen.
Mi han deluso le armi del drago hibbe, forse quelle alb son diverse ma nn credo.
Altre idee? Cmq allora left hand nn perdo niente essenzialmente?

tu hai chiesto se sarebbe una puttanata usare la zen su arms (che per me è una puttanata usarla e basta ma vabbeh :sneer:) non hai parlato di palli nel primo post

fine steel > soul glimmer 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aspetta :sneer: 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[Lydr4yn]

minchia che post esplicativo :P

[Fustigatrice]

ha ragione ace, sec me già le armi che dann alla fine del quest drago so già migliori della zen...ma sicuramente i drop del drago (sia taglio che perfo) sono di gran lunga migliori della zen

[AceGentile]

minchia che post esplicativo :P

eh lo so ho la tendenza a dilungarmi in pagine e pagine di spiegazioni, sto cercando di rimediare

:rotfl:

[galazon]

Ace scusa non ho capito,ma quindi gli consigli di usare la zen perche' la consideri la migliore arma del gioco?:elfhat:....

@Oris non potendo paragonare i danni di ombra a quelli di un paladino,io metterei un' arma che possa proccare "danni" rispetto ai debuff....

[GreenKnight]

...@Oris non potendo paragonare i danni di ombra a quelli di un paladino,io metterei un' arma che possa proccare "danni" rispetto ai debuff....

UP in pieno :thumbup:

[Fu3g0]

per me la zen è l'arma + sopravvalutata del gioco :rain:
champ weapon 2h/picca, fine steel long sword 1h. appena procca 25% celerity vai di 2h e fatti le risate


come non uppare un ace di primo mattino:lol:

[NelloDominat]

L'unico drop del cazzo del drago e' l'ARCO PD e PD... speed 4.4 >_<

[edorapiangi]

se hai il pally usa cw o arma quest del drago, il debuff resist ha + senso su una classe che ha celerity self che su un'altra classe che non swinga al cap e quindi non sfrutta a pieno tutto il tempo in cui il nemico e' debuffato

[Oris]

Quindi mi mandate a puttane la zen?
Effettivamente credo che l'idea migliore l'abbia avuta non mi ricordo chi (pardon) sul proc danni. Ma armi decenti che proccano armi?
Cazzo di server classic, li odio! -.-
Su un pally traitor ftw -.-

[galazon]

Quindi mi mandate a puttane la zen?
Effettivamente credo che l'idea migliore l'abbia avuta non mi ricordo chi (pardon) sul proc danni. Ma armi decenti che proccano armi?
Cazzo di server classic, li odio! -.-
Su un pally traitor ftw -.-
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/dyn/items/Albion/RightHand.html

[edorapiangi]

se vuoi armi che proccano dd fatti delle craftate dragonsworn, se vuoi armi che proccano dot fatti le armi del laby che proccano dot 125

[AceGentile]

L'unico drop del cazzo del drago e' l'ARCO PD e PD... speed 4.4 >_<


speed di arco non conta niente

[Oris]

se vuoi armi che proccano dd fatti delle craftate dragonsworn, se vuoi armi che proccano dot fatti le armi del laby che proccano dot 125
Omnidrain tipo soul glimmer nn ce ne sono?

[edorapiangi]

hehehe pretendi 1 po troppo cosi gh

cmq si ci sono, alcune armi del drago proccano omni ma nn so queli su albù

@ace: in che senso speed arco non conta niente?

[AceGentile]

hehehe pretendi 1 po troppo cosi gh
cmq si ci sono, alcune armi del drago proccano omni ma nn so queli su albù
@ace: in che senso speed arco non conta niente?

che non conta niente :D visto che presumo il tizio intendesse omg arco 4.4 speed farà danni merda. non cambia niente

[Dryden]

Alcune armi Lab hanno dot da 125, procca 4 tick che fanno 90/100 danni circa.

[edorapiangi]

i tick non son mica 3?

[nortis]

non le uso da un sacco ma se non erro durata 20sec frequenza 5 sec.. 4 tic

[AceGentile]

armi del lab durata 9sec tick ogni3

[edorapiangi]

9 secondi frequenza 3...

[mistik]

L'unico drop del cazzo del drago e' l'ARCO PD e PD... speed 4.4 >_<


si pero' la lancia:drool:

[Oris]

Proccano bene le armi lab?

[Dryden]

Proccano quanto tutte le altre, solo quelle del drago proccano a bestia.

[NelloDominat]

che non conta niente :D visto che presumo il tizio intendesse omg arco 4.4 speed farà danni merda. non cambia niente
Come? Gli archi non sono influenzati dallo speed come per le armi tradizionali?:gha:n
cioé da 4.4 a 5.3 il danno effettivo é lo stesso o é leggermente di meno... non capisco spigati meglio:afraid:

[nortis]

conta la speed di una staffa x un runmaster? ora le frecce sono dei cast

[NelloDominat]

conta la speed di una staffa x un runmaster? ora le frecce sono dei cast

Fuck! :swear: devo rifare il TP -.-:gha:

[NelloDominat]

Altra domanda.. essendo CAST, sono influenzati dalla dex? Oppure dalla quick per lo swing/cast?

[edorapiangi]

dex

[NelloDominat]

dex

Mentre per lo swing dell'arma lancia/spada rimane quick....

ok ok... ho capito :madd:

[Fustigatrice]

Mentre per lo swing dell'arma lancia/spada rimane quick....
ok ok... ho capito :madd:

grats

[nortis]

e il danno e la velocità arco sono influenzati dal casting speed/dmg/rang e non dal arcery.

[Oris]

E int serve a un arcere?

[nortis]

nu ildanno lo han lasciato 100% dex based