guardian, barbarian, assassin come meele puriQuote:
Originally Posted by Drako
dark templar come ibrido
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guardian, barbarian, assassin come meele puriQuote:
Originally Posted by Drako
dark templar come ibrido
Mi sa che tocca andare di barbarian QQ.
ladro hai per caso qualche link o qualche info per avere la possibilità di giocare con la closed? Pd needo :V
Mh spero che pimpino un pò i pet, mi manca una classe come il necro di D2 dove fanno tutto i pet e GG >_>
NDA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
su un gioco che esce in 9 gg e su cui i giornalisti nn hanno piu nda?Quote:
Originally Posted by MnfPna
nda penso non ci sia piu :sneer:
Se il contentuto viene da fonte autorizzata ovvero i giornalisti, ok, se viene da un forum chiuso Beh, mi sa che ci sia l nda.
Poi o si fa per dire qualcosa, mporta na sega.
Ok torno a giocare il mio Xot...ops serve ancora giu..
Non c'è fino al content lvl 13
Ciò non toglie il livello di polish che ha avuto WoW nei primi mesi, tonnellate di quest e solo content, rispetto ad aoc quantomeno, che non sarà ai livelli di vanguard ma non è molto distante mi pare. Vedremo come andrà a finire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
hahaha 13gb scaricati e credevo fosse il client..che occupa 26,6gb:rotfl: mi sa installo domani xo sn troppo curioso..:D
VENTISEIGIGA?!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramas
ma porca miseria...
ao spoileratemi sto cazzo di bear shaman!
ladro scelgo te!
:D
io non ci sto giocando pe niente, nemmeno provato bear shaman sorry :<
wow appena uscito nn aveva NULLA, no honor system, no bg, molten core unica istance raid che era infattibileQuote:
Originally Posted by Tele
non cera nulla grazie che andava bene....
aveva 3 quest in croce e 2 istance in croce da 5(fatte bene per carità..)
ma anche un monco è capace di stabilizzare una cosa vuota -.-'' e ce da dire che della release usa (fatta 3 mesi prima della eu) sono riusciti a cannare anche quel poco presente...
... che era stabile hai ragione... ma nn cera manco un cazzo...
:gha: non cominciate le botte tra fanboy che poi escono enormita teribbili :afraid:
Ancora server down :(
Boh guarda che fino al livello 40 che ho provato io hai 3 zone di quest, non mi pare poca roba... e dopo il 40 ce ne saranno minimo 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tele
Per ora non mi pare che i contenuti di aoc siano cosi diversi dai contenuti di wow all'inizio, almeno nella fase di exp.
Aggiungici che qua hai subito i bg per poter fare pvp che wow non aveva, sinceramente non vedo tutto questo in piu che wow avrebbe avuto alla sua uscita.
Era un gioco che portava avanti un ambientazione di un gioco a cui molti avevano giocato, aveva gia la sua bella dose di giocatori in attesa.
E' una guida ma è l'unica cosa decente che ho trovato.
Hello,
Im going to just post what i have noticed. This will either help you or save you time. Please dont flame me if you already know this or if you think everyone should know this. Believe it or not but not everyone has tried the bear shaman so this could very well help them out getting started.
First of all what is a bear shaman?
The spirit of nature is strong in Cimmeria and has begun to manifest itself amongst the barbarians of the north.
Bear shamans can inherit aspects of the great bear like claws, savage strength or adrenaline surges and use spirit totems that heal and counter-attack enemy blows. They can also gain the power to heal and eventually resurrect fallen companions.
Bear shamans are able to equip the heaviest priest armor (medium) and are the sturdiest of all the priests. Capable of mighty combos with their two-handed weapons, and a complement of druidic enchantments, this makes them fearsome enemies in combat. In common with other priests, they also have many healing powers.
Archetype: Priest
Permitted races: Cimmerian
Weapons: Two-handed blunts, bows, crossbows, and thrown weapons
Armor: Cloth armor, light armor, and medium armor
The shaman is nether a full healer or nuker " caster ". There a powerful Melee healer " mage " of sorts " edited to be politically correct ". They tend to do best on the front lines cracking skulls and buffing the front line. There very useful in many ways. For those of you that played a shaman or redmage class in other games then you have another thing coming. Yes it is true we are more or less a defensive mage. However dont let the priest title fool you. We are not a bunch of weak healers that cant take a blow or dish out a good amount of DPS. To be technical BS's are more or less a DPS support class. We help support the front line while dishing out a good amount of DPS.
AoC Shamans are VERY powerful and BELONGS on the frontlines " as of right now unless things change " . They not only wield double handed blunt weapons but there buffs and melee attacks are powerful. They are no joke on or off the battle field.
They take a bit of time to master and get used to yes this is correct. However once you get them down there a fun class to play and if you like a challenge this is for you.
Bear Shamans at low levels:
Ok at first leveling and questing a bear shaman is a bit of a task. You dont get any real buffs untill lvl 15 which makes things a bit of a challenge. Thats ok you can still level up and quest until then.
When you first start off make sure you get used to the combo's. Even if you have to test them mid zone fighting nothing. Because your combo's will keep you alive. So test them swinging away in mid air or go find a poor tree or bush somewhere to test them out on.
Only pull 1 or 2 enemies at a time low levels or any other level if possible. When i mean pull i mean only try and fight 1 enemy at any given time 2 at the most. Take your time because if you dont you will spend far more time running back to where you died than just taking your time and doing the safe way.
At low levels you can use potions if you like but i never bothered. However food with extra HP " at low levels " REALLY saved my skin a few times. So all of them bananas you pick up. Use them until you get your hands on better food.
Low level battle tips :
Keep in mind your probally still limited to only a few buffs. So you still may be having a rough time. Thats ok all of us shaman's went through it. Here is some tips to help kill them enemies off a bit faster and easier without dieing as much...
When you pull a enemy if anymore comes with it try and pull them back several feet. This helps not only get you out of danger from any roaming enemies that may have strayed away from the pack. But also it helps ALIGN them in away that when you swing your weapon your hitting multiple enemies. This takes a bit of practice but i can normaly get them aligned most of the time when doing this. Also if there is a narrow area or a wall. Try and get them lined up or grouped together in those areas if possible.. If not just pull them back several feet and practice trying to get them lined up. This will help out ALOT for most of the game. Specially them dreaded volcano quests and underhalls area's just starting off.
Once you have your enemies lined up start unloading your combo's one after another. Burst them until there dead. Dont be afraid of running out of stamina because you probally wont. Just burst away until they drop.
Make sure your SKILLS have been added so your cure " when you get it " does not get interupted. By adding in these skills it will save your life many times to come. Your quick cures might not give you alot of hp but its enough to just get you by...
Once you get your first cure be ready to combo,combo,cure,combo,cure,combo and so on. It seems like alot of work but its better then dieing and having to get back to where you was. Its worth the extra work to survive and keep going.
Bear Shamans levels 15+ :
Once you reach level 15 things will start gettng a bit easier. But dont think your some killer machine that cant be hurt. You can and you will. So still follow the tips and tactics from the lower level questing and leveling for ever " until endgame and pvp ". Your buffs are amazing and keeps you alive. Without them we would be naked and worthless solo or even with a group... So always make sure your BUFFED and ready to go...
If you die rebuff everytime. Yes i know its a pain to recast over and over again if you die. But its worth it even if you dont think the enemies will be hard enough for them. It will make it easier to kill them and safer for you and your group if your with one. No need to risk being a big shot or trying to rush things. Play it safe and keep your buffs up.
The same battle tactics apply after lvl 15. However now at this point you will start noticing your burning a bit more MP . Once you get near your 20's and up you will notice its easy to burn MP if your in a bind and bursting your cures left and right to keep you and or your group alive.
With that being said make sure after you get done fighting to take a second for your HP and MP to regen. Its worth taken a second or to out rather then running out for the next fight. Also if you dont think there is a enemy close enough to bother having to wait. Think again. Alot of times there right around the corner waiting to ambush you. So once again play it safe and just take a second to regen.
You will notice by now you have a few combo's that takes longer to recast then some others. These are normaly more powerful then those others. So dont just waste them on regular fights. Because the next one might need those combo's to keep you alive. Save your heavy hitters that takes time to recast if you can. Sounds silly to save them but if your in a area your not used to then i would advise to save them. You never know whats around the corner or if you will get more then one enemy coming at you during the next battle.
Questing as a bear shaman :
These tips actually go for almost any class you pick im sure. But alot of people might not realize these things or may not have taken the time to test it. So im going to just touch base on ways to quest a little easier for you...
When your questing at night " single player " and you get aggervated or want a change. Go to your trainer in Tortage in the inn and switch over to day time. BUT befor you do make sure the areas your having trouble with has been started i will explain in a minute.
Go level up a few levels knocking off a few quests during the day " multiplayer " . There is alot more quests thats easy to do and can help you gain a few more levels rather quick. Once you have a few levels under your belt. Go back to your trainer in Tortage in the INN. Switch back to night play " single player " and go back to those instances. You will notice not only is most if not all the enemies you killed still gone. BUT there the same level. You will beable to get through the ALREADY started " key word already " instances much easier.
Warning : there may be one or two enemies here and there that is your same level. So take your time dont think since most of them is lower level they all are. Just make sure you scan over the ones in your way to make sure there is no higher level enemies in the mix of them...
Once your done with that instance you can then go back turn them in and get other ones. Again if your having trouble on the next instances. Do what i suggested above. Go to day play get a level or two and then come back.
This method may not always work and very well could be patched in the future. But i dont see why they would for lower level areas.
As for the rest of the questing. If you get stuck on something or having a hard time. Move on and go to the next one. You can always come back to that quest later on. ITs better to move on get a level or to and then come back.Rather then wasting a ton of time and or busting your keyboard over it. Move on and come back later!.
Killing bosses :
I have noticed most bosses are almost BLIND or deaf . Sort of funny. But im sure the developers made it this way for a reason. Most bosses that have guards or minions around them can easly be killed " or easier " then what you might expect. Here is what i do in most situation with a main boss or a standing still boss.
You can walk almost right up to some of the bosses " dont test it unless you dont care to die ". Some of them you cant . However most of them you can get closer to them without them coming after you then the regular enemies.
This gives you the edge. You can easly " most of the time " pull the enemies around the boss without getting his attention..
Example : The last battle. You can run right up to Strom be a few feet away and he wont do a thing. So this makes it easier to kill him. You can actually run right up to his minions and kill them off. But make sure you pull them back to try and line them up so you can damage multiple ones with a single swing like usual. Kill one side of the minions and then do the other side like i mentioned above. You will notice the entire time " unless this gets patched " that strom or most other bosses will more or less let you kill off there guards and or minions. I got a kick out of it when i figured it out..
But make sure you test everything SAFELY. They may patch things in the future so it wont happen. But to be honest i dont see how anyone would beable to solo it without having it this way. So i doubt Tortage areas bosses will be patched so you can not do this. S
Some of these tactics works well WAY past Tortage. So if you think its next to impossible to do something. Test it out safely if you can and you will be surprised how much easier it really is if you just take your time and think about it befor you rush in....
Ok i know wall of text. But once i stated i just couldnt stop lol.. If you guys would like me to ill come back later on and refine the guide a little better. Maybe add some screenshots. I can also upload a pdf or a more printer friendly version of it to one of my many sites.
Sorry for the spelling errors but im sort of in a hurry. Ill try and fix it up later on if you all want me to....
If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Bear Shamans levels 20+ :
Ok once you start getting into your 20's and over in your homeland. Things may seem to be a bit different. Well it is. Your in another land with new enemies that may swarm at you from all directions " Cornell's Valley is a prime example ". If your not careful you can very well have a handful of enemies on you at any given time. So the pull back method still works here.
Around this time i start changing things up a bit. Since either im fighting 2-4 at a time or some might take longer to kill then the others. I change my combo's up a bit ... Ill start off with my HEAVY hitters right off the go. This way it gives me time to recharge the combo and to focus on other things such as quick cures or our renew ability. This is how i normaly run a combo set at this level...
First combo:
Ursine Brawl
Attack: Upper Right-Upper Left
Stamina Cost: 75
Cooldown: 18 seconds
Level: 20
Weapon Requirement: 2H Blunt
Description: With a fierce counter:Attack you break your foes concentration making them miss their target more.
2nd & 3rd combo :
Crush Armor II
Attack: Mid-Upper Right
Stamina Cost:75
Cooldown:10 Seconds
Level:20
Weapon Requirement:2 Hand Blunt
Description: You Smash apart their armor making them more vulnerable to physical attacks.
Censuring Strike III
Stamina Cost: 29
Description: A censuring strike that does direct damage to your foe and decreasing its hatred towards you.
I mix it up a bit. I dont always use both 2nd and 3rd combo here to finish them off. Because if there are no other enemies and if there almost dead. No need to waste our stamina pulling off the 3rd one. So if your about to kill them off or want to reserve your stamina use a lesser version of one of the above if you like. I use a lesser version of both of them from time to time to reserve stamina or if im about out of stamina.
At this point you will notice your starting to burn more stamina if your aggressively pulling one after another. OR if you get to many enemies at one point, one comes and attacks during a pull etc. With that being said you may want to start changing around your food and or gear. I started to switch over to more stamina based food and gear. That way i wont run out as easy and ill have plenty of energy to burn for a longer time. Low level HP gear and food helps big time. 20's + if your aggressive in nature and want to just rock. Then i would highly suggest once you hit CV area you start looking into stamina based food or gear or both. Its all up to your style of play.
If i remember correctly at level 25 you get Grizzled Hide. This is a very nice spell to have. Once we get this bad boy on us we can take even more of a beating. Things start getting much easier at level 25 + with the new buffs. But Grizzled Hide is nice and more or less made me feel like a dps tank running through CV cutting down my enemies and not taken alot of damage.
Grizzled Hide (Rank 1) Increases the defense rating of the caster's team costs 65 mana.
As you can see yes it does boost your defense rating not only for you but for your entire team as well. However i more or less soloed most of what i have done at this point. Ill group up with people if they ask or if they need help etc. But right now im just trying to test things out, and enjoy what AoC has to offer at the same time.
Bear Shaman Battle tips 20-30 : " May apply for higher levels aswell "
Ok here is a few battle tips for you. This may or may not help you out. Its all on what your comfortable with or your own playing style. This is just what i do.
Basic combo bursts - Ursine Brawl>Crush Armor>Censuring Strike
These are what i normally use for your basic fighting. The internal bleed is nice and i do use this but mainly only for boss fights. I dont want to burn to much of my resources on using other things if i dont need to just yet.
If your in a bind with more then one target attacking you, Try this Combo & spell Bursts - Ursine Brawl>Crush Armor>Blood Flow>Censuring Strike>Blood Flow>Disheartening Assault>Cure your self>Ursine Brawl> etc
I do it more or less like this when im in a bind. I dont always run i somtimes will try and duke it out at first to see if i dont have to waste my time running away. So this is the combo and spell bursts i use at these levels. You dont have to use them, if you dont like this style thats ok. This is just what i do and it seems to work out great for me. Change things around to whatever you like. Experiment with it see what fits your own playing style. Im just trying to point out what helps me and what i do ..
By the way ill add in much more information if needed about combo's, spells, feats, etc if needed.. Also if anyone else would like to add to this. Ill be more then willing to update the OP from time to time with valid helpful information.
Perdi a mio avviso di vista il contesto; WoW uscì poco dopo EQ2, titolo esigente per l'hardware che fu un mezzo flop per le troppe che non funzionavano e perchè serviva un PC della NASA per farlo girare. Al confronto con tutti gli mmo usciti prima, WoW uscì con un PvE già divertente il primo giorno, poi ovvio che hanno aggiunto roba col passare del tempo come in tutti gli mmo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroming
Queste sono buone notizie per Funcom allora, anche se resta la quesitone dell'affidabilità del client: in conto è avere un gioco che sfrutta bene le directx9 e 10 per effetti e grafica, un conto è avere lo stesso gioco che non crashi ogni 3x2. Mi fido delle tue opinioni e di quelle di Boro perchè non siete novellini e avete provato AoC sicuramente per molte più ore di me, ma continuo a pensare che Funcom non abbia capito/avuto modo per ragioni di budget di imparare la lezione di WoW: client stabile, tante quest e gameplay delle classi divertente dal primo giorno. Vedremo tra 10 giorni se avevo ragione o meno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
Boh sul client continueranno a lavorarci sopra, per ora quello è un grosso punto di domanda.
Va molto da pc a pc, su pc abbastanza potenti il gioco non da grossi problemi, qualche blocco ogni tanto al massimo.
Su pc meno potenti il tutto peggiora molto, Boro ha grossi problemi di crash, blocco etc.., ma ha anche un hardware vecchiotto.
Cmq sto gioco doveva uscire a settembre, ora come ora è troppo presto.
Ma c'è un solo client per la beta?tra closed e open..?mi sa che ho scaricato quello sbagliato:rotfl:
Cmq server ancora down ;|
si ladro ma non puoi fare un mmorpg che richieda il pc della nasa per girare "bene"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
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Originally Posted by Gramas
:sneer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
Non puoi pretendere di far giocare un mmorpg come questo con hardware datato.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharTeel
Le 8800 saranno 2 anni che sono fuori oramai no?
Un pc con una 8800 sto gioco lo fa girare, dettagli medi alti o bassi non ho idea, dipende dal pc, ma ci gira.
Ci giocavo io con una 7950 a dettagli medi...
Se lo vuoi far girare tutto al massimo aa300x ti pigli il pc della nasa, se no te lo limiti.
Fai conto che è riuscito a farlo girare uno con una 6800...
vabe ma che discorsi so, fanno usci un mmorpg con grafica da sbavo, tutte cagate tecnologiche per rendere il tutto pompato al max ..
è ovvio che per sfruttarlo serva un pc con le palle no? -.-
è come quello che voleva far girare doom3 al max con una radeon 8500
ce tra l'altro ho fatto un paio di prove, scalando i dettagli
TUTTO BASSO (n.b LOW) rimane una grafica eccellente.. e tutto low riescono a farlo girare praticamente tutti i sistemi che non abbiano piu di 3-4 anni
che poi il client non sia stabile etc è n'altro discorso, anche nella norma per un gioco simile
Per dirti boro con il suo pc con una 7900 lo fa girare a dettagli minimi a 30 fps a tortage, in giro per il mondo fa anche sui 50-60.
Io con il mio pc dettagli medi giravo a tortage con 25-30 fps e fuori con fps 35+.
Il problema al momento è la ram che ti succhia (su vista mi è arrivato ad usare 2.5 gb di ram).
E da quello che dicono (che sia vero o no non lo so) sotto ci gira debugger e cazzate varie.
Per dirti molti dei casini che si avevano fin ora è che gli shader venivano compilati al volo dal tuo pc, con conseguente calo drastico degli fps e lag a volonta.
Altra cosa, ieri messi gli ultimi driver nvidia beta e ci ho guadagnato 5+ fps.
Riparliamone tra un po di mesi su come gira il client, per ora non mi pare malaccio per quello che offre.
quello è il punto, bisogna per forza aspettare che si assesti un po il tutto, il gioco ancora non è nemmen uscito. tra un paio di mesi si vedra
puoi dirmi quello che vuoi, ma a me sembra assurdo che su un pc che fa girare assassin's creed, cod4, gears of war ecc a dettagli massimi a 30+ fps, con dettagli bassi su aoc gira a 15-20fpsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ladro di anime
grafica != bel gioco, anzi ultimamente la regola dice che quanto piu' è bella la grafica tanto piu' fa merda il gioco :sneer:
vedremo (vedrete) come risulterà il lancio di aoc, io spero (per voi) di sbagliarmi a riguardo.
Regà, aggiungere 2 giga di ram costa 50 € eh....
si ma senza vista 64 non la vede :sneer::sneer:
con vista 32 ne vede 3 GB max no?
Il gioco in se a me ispira molto, sopratutto il combat system
per la grafica io la voglio, non mi interessa un cazzo, un gioco al giorno d'oggi, deve essere pompabile graficamente ed arrivare a farmi sbavare
e considerando che il mio pc è ormai diventato di fascia piu media che alta
direi che un risultato simile (e giro a 40+fps all'esternoe mai sotto i 22-25 a tortage, sia in solo che con n.personaggi su schermo) è cosa gradita..
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3082/aoc01ur7.th.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1589/aoc02gy1.th.jpg
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/773/aoc03cj5.th.jpg
p.s. fare paragoni parlando di grafica etc tra un gioco ONLINE IN BETA, e un singleplayer è veramente da nabbi
p.p.s le immagini hanno perso TANTISSIMO rispetto alla reale qualita'
3.5 meno la ram della scheda video.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuKas
dalla patch di stanotte
The version we have just patched out is mostly focused on improving performance and stability of the game. There should be a very noticeable reduction in client stalls, crashes, and memory leaks! You may also notice the improved light model and texture quality! Underwater Fog is now in so all of your underwater adventures will be even more realistic! Last, but not least, we have spent a great deal of effort on polishing the shader cache system. This, along with all the other fixes, should provide you with the smoothest AoC experience yet!
Client/Server
* A multitude of server and client crashes and asserts have been resolved in this latest version.
se dio vuole crasherò meno
quanti terabyte di patch sono?
cmq la scusa che è in beta non la si può applicare ad un gioco che esce fra 9 (NOVE) giorni in head-start americana. a meno che da un giorno all'altro non fanno er miracolo
Se è vero che sotto gira un debugger, basta disabilitarlo e si guadagnerebbe già un bel po di roba, se in più gli shader te li offrono già fatti loro ottieni ancora di più.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharTeel
Non so se siete mai entrati in una zona nuova (tipo una taverna) ed avete incominciato a swappare da schifo ed ogni volta che vi giravate giu di swap.
Ecco quello è il momento in cui il gioco compilava gli shader al volo, infatti se ci tornavate un'altra volta non swappava più.
io in tortage faccio 20fps circa, grafica poco scalata.
il problema sono i caricamenti infiniti, anche 10 minuti tra un loading e l'altro, che lo rende impossibile da giocare... io non so se è solo un problema del client della open, pero nonostante mi sia piaciuto sotto tanti aspetti è davvero difficile non farsi venire i maroni di 20cm di diametro
ps: dopo patcho e vedo se cambia qualcosa
sharteel ogni tanto ti credo "esperto" ma poi te ne esci co ste cose -.-
sai come funziona la storia del debugger, texture non compresse etc?
ecco. queste cose non ci saranno in release (si spera :sneer:)
per ora io mi accontenterei di riuscire a patchare che mi si pianta mentre scarica le informazioni della patch :gha:
come non detto i server dovrebbero essere ancora down per problemi tecnici...e mo con entrambe le beta di war e aoc down io che cazzo faccio è_é
cmq si lo swap in taverna è abbastanza incagabile, e per swap intendo freeze totale ogni 2 passi finchè non si assesta mortacci loro, a 9 giorni dalla release potrebbero anche far testare il gioco con le impostazioni da retail imo :nod: (o magari farmi vedere di persona lo spellweawing visto che non comprerò il gioco e non ho voglia di vedere i video a riguardo :nod:)