che ne pensate? (focus vs con)

[ScorpionRa]

Alright, I finally had time to sit down and run more tests on whether or not the condition of a staff directly effects whether or not you get the focus bonus from it.

Constants in the test.


Target: 50th level warden with 25% heat resists.

Tester: 50th level enchantress, 45+6 light, 145 intelligence.


Copies of the logs.

*** Chat Log Opened: Sat Jul 03 22:21:54 2004

Testing with no staff equipped.

[22:23:05] You target [Molarrael]
[22:23:05] You examine Molarrael. He is a member of the Warden class in your realm.
[22:23:18] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:20] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:20] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:20] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:23] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:23] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:23] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:26] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:26] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:26] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:28] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:28] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:28] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:31] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:31] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:33] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:35] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:35] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:37] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:37] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:37] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:40] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:40] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:42] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:42] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:45] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:45] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:23:45] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:23:48] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:23:48] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
*** Chat Log Closed: Sat Jul 03 22:23:52 2004



Testing with 70% condition Traldor's oracle.

*** Chat Log Opened: Sat Jul 03 22:28:57 2004

[2:29:16] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:18] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:18] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:21] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:21] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:23] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:23] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:23] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:25] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:25] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:25] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:28] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:28] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:30] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:30] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:30] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:33] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:33] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:33] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:35] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:35] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:35] You critical hit for an additional 138 damage!
[22:29:35] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:38] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:38] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:38] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:40] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:40] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:46] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:49] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:49] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:49] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:51] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:51] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:51] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:53] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:54] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:57] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:57] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:29:59] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:29:59] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!
[22:29:59] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:30:02] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:30:02] You hit for 289 (-92) damage!

*** Chat Log Closed: Sat Jul 03 22:30:10 2004



Testing with 100% condition Staff of the Gods.

*** Chat Log Opened: Sat Jul 03 22:34:14 2004

[22:34:18] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:21] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:21] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:21] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:23] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:23] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:23] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:25] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:25] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:25] You critical hit for an additional 96 damage!
[22:34:25] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:28] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:28] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:28] You critical hit for an additional 31 damage!
[22:34:28] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:30] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:30] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:30] You critical hit for an additional 31 damage!
[22:34:30] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:33] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:33] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:34] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:37] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:37] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:39] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:39] Your character has been saved.
[22:34:42] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:42] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:42] You critical hit for an additional 130 damage!
[22:34:43] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:46] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:47] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:50] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:50] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:50] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:52] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:54] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:56] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:56] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:56] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:34:58] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:34:58] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:34:58] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:35:01] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:35:01] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:35:01] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:35:04] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:35:04] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:35:04] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:35:06] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:35:06] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
[22:35:06] You begin casting a Insidious Rapture spell!
[22:35:09] You cast a Insidious Rapture Spell!
[22:35:09] You hit for 283 (-116) damage!
*** Chat Log Closed: Sat Jul 03 22:35:14 2004



Results.

Test number one: Using no staff at all, I was able to cast the level 45 light spec DD (Insidious Rapture) a total of 11 times, before I got the " You don't have enough power to cast that!" messaage.


Test number two: Using my 70% condition Traldors oracle, I was able to cast the level 45 light spec DD(Insidious Rapture) a total of 16 times, before I got the " You don't have enough power to cast that!" message.

Test number three: Using my 100% condition, brand new Staff of the Gods, I was able to cast the level 45 light spec DD (Insidious Rapture) a total of 17 times, before I got the " You don't have enough power to cast that!" message.


Conclusion:

The condition of your staff doesn't effect the bonus of focus you are granted from having the staff equipped. You may look at the two logs of comparing staffs, and say " well he lost 1 cast between them, must be focus". I believe that I didn't regen enough power to actually cast that final time, so I might have only been missing 2-3 power. Also, Traldors has a 5% chance not to use power when casting a spell. I got lucky with my first test and every spell used power, otherwise I would have had to restart the traldor test.

This information alone proves nothing. However, when you add this information to the information of my other test, I believe that it proves without a shadow of a doubt, that a 70% condition staff is as good as a 100% condition staff, as far as focus bonus goes.


Thank you for reading this extremely long post.

Edit one was for spelling.
Edit two: I would also like to thank my test mules Molarrael a warden on igraine, and Perm a bard on igraine, for being my target and my designated healer for the target.



qui è dove si discute........

http://vnboards.ign.com/Hibernia_Mag...9/71494727/?26



praticamente possiamo tenere la nostra traldor al 70 di cost (non dovrebbe scendere d+ di 70) senza avere perdite ne di focus ne di bonus ne di artifact

[Ladro di anime]

Se da bonus nelle skill, es +5 mana, al 70 non le da piu.

[LegomanSTK]

Questa gente che fa sti test mi fa paura.. O.o

[Innocuo]

Va letto tutto quel thread...si fa interessante.

[Evil666]

Se da bonus nelle skill, es +5 mana, al 70 non le da piu.

cosa che la traldor non da

[Ladro di anime]

cosa che la traldor non da

Non so cosa da la staffa, era solo per completare il discorso .

[SharTeel]

beh si, in effetti se una staffa ti da tutti i bonus anche al 70% di con nn vale la pena ripararla...
come la gioielleria ^^V
l'unica rottura sono armi e armature che se si rovinano non fanno 1 cax di danni/danno un cax di af

[Tabris]

Molto, molto interessante.
Sanya e i suoi Overlord blablabla nelle varie grab bag han sempre detto che la con della staffa c'entrava, questo ribalta tutto.
Mo vediamo che dicono i vari TL.

[Sylent]

Ke io sappia (correggetemi se sbaglio) con la staffa al 70% è come se non avessi il focus xke il consumo di mana aumenta in modo esagerato.



e vedendo ke con 7DD finisce 1 barra mana non credo di sbagliare di molto

[SharTeel]

11 cast senza staffa (quindi niente focus)
16 cast con staffa al 70%
17 cast con staffa al 100%

probabilmente quando aveva la staffa al 100% gli ha regenerato quel tick di power che gli ha permesso l'ultimo cast (magari quando aveva la staffa al 70% aveva il 5% quando il cast voleva 6%)

[Pazzo]

tutti gli oggetti anche a 70% condizione continuano a dare tutti i bonus escluso i +alle skill, gioielleria e staffe puoi pure evitare di ripararle quindi (se non hai + alle skill), l'inculata è con le armi che cala dps e le armor che cala af, per tutti gli altri oggetti te ne fotti

[shadowcleaver]

questo cambierebbe molte cose..

[Kat]

Ke io sappia (correggetemi se sbaglio) con la staffa al 70% è come se non avessi il focus xke il consumo di mana aumenta in modo esagerato.



e vedendo ke con 7DD finisce 1 barra mana non credo di sbagliare di molto

Vedo che hai letto attentamente il test

[Brendoh]

solo le skill..siamo sicuri?
ad esempio abilità del lvl 5/10 o + 10 cap af, +6% res..queste le calcola cmq?

[Ladro di anime]

Il + %power + cap di hit si, resto non so